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  1. Barry Diston
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  3. Wednesday, 08 February 2017
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Hi,

Looks like custom fields will be part of the joomla core from version 3.7:
https://joomla.digital-peak.com/blog/198-custom-fields-in-joomla-3-6

Are there plans for a version of F2C to allow users to input data into the custom fields created for the article via F2C , along side the usual article fields that are already there.

Current f2c version: 6.15.0

Thanks !
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Hi Barry,

Thanks for your post, you're the first to ask ;)
As of yet we don't have direct plans for several reasons.

1) Why add Custom Fields in two places? We have custom fields and you can place the data collected anywhere in your Joomla article without the need for overrides.

2) It requires dynamic mapping of data since Custom Fields is also dynamic. We would need to program an interface for mapping F2C field data to Custom Fields...

Of course we will follow the process of custom fields in Joomla. A possible outcome is that we do integrate it in a similar way to how the Article URL and Image fields are currently integrated in Form2Content.

Please also let me know of any situations that you can think of that this would be beneficiary for linking the two?

Regards,
Patrick
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Hi Patrick,

Thanks for getting back to me, - Making use of the custom fields in Joomla could be useful as that data could be shown on other pages that only display article summary details, rather than just the full f2c created article.

I have added some details and an example of a situation where this would be really useful to us under the "Site Details" tab:
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Hi Barry,

As Patrick said, at this moment we don't have plans to use these fields, since they work very different than F2C fields.

However, I want to investigate if it's possible to connect the F2C fields to Joomla custom fields. When you fill a F2C field, the data will be transfered to the Joomla custom field. Please note that this is only an idea at the moment! I have to figure out if this is technically possible.

best,
Julien
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Hi Julien,

Thanks, that sounds great. - The way the current Joomla fields work with F2C, (Article Image, Article Desc, Article Category, etc) it would be awesome if it could work the same with the new custom fields.

Thanks for taking the time to look into this,

Best Regards,

Barry
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Just to say we are interested in this too.

Maybe is stupid question, but... could you tell me the advantages of F2C vs Joomla 3.7 Custom Fields?
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HI Antonio,

There are several differences which I believe provide advantages for Form2Content compared to Custom Fields.

- Very easy to create submission forms and currently more field types
- The editor field is not a must, i.e. you can create article input without html risk
- Full control over the entire article layout using easy accessible templating
- Smarty templating logic, i.e. if this than that etc.
- Submission form override
- Front-end article manager with full control over all options
- Many plugins and several other extensions to build relations between articles
- F2C Anywhere plugin to retrieve and show F2C data anywhere

Hope this gives an idea. We hope to make the link to Custom Fields in the future so that we will remain compatible to any 3rd party extensioins that will start using those fields. That way our easy front-end article management will keep providing to easiest data input.

Regards,
Patrick
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Thanks for replaying
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I have some news about Joomla 3.7 Custom Fields:

As you can read in https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/issues/14719 :
"Fields are not a CCK..."
"That requires CCK type architecture that is not supported."


So, seems that Form2Content will have a long life :D , since J3.7 Custom Fields will be very "limited" :( !!!
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Please also let me know of any situations that you can think of that this would be beneficiary for linking the two?
Regards,
Patrick


Hello,

I have one reason: keep what you say in the Form2Content description ;-)

F2C is just the tool for integrating the extensions into your Joomla article.
- every 3rd party extension that works with Joomla articles works with F2C
- no dependency on 'integration plugins' or "F2C compatible"


I explain:
You will respect the native "Joomla Articles CONTENT tab", not all the native "Joomla Articles", as joomla articles include the new Custom Fields.
If Form2Content will not be able to mapping the new "Custom Fields" of Joomla Articles, many 3rd party extension that will work with Joomla articles (including their native Custom Fields), maybe will not work as expected with F2C.
For example https://www.joomlart.com/blog/joomla-extensions/joomla-custom-field-filter-added-in-ja-megafilter-demo.

Hope it helps.
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Hi Antonio,

Thank you for explaining our Form2Content working ;)
Thank you for an example of a 3rd party extension, looks promising!

Joomla 3.7 hasn't yet been released. Only couple of days ago they removed the new router.....

YES, it is our intention to be completely compatible with any new Joomla developments. We do need the time to develop and also make sure that Joomla doesn't change stuff which happens all too often.

Regards,
Patrick
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I was not "explaining", just "remembering"... ;)

I understand your answer very well. Thanks for it.


PD: removed the new router from the 3.7 release?!.... Great!!! This will accelerate the Joomla Custom Fields coming!!! :p
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No worries :), and we'll see about the rest ;)
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@F2C webmaster

Thanks for your response about continued support for Joomla as new features/versions comes out. I have been burned before with components that are integral with my site but support gets stopped for one reason or another. This leaves me of having to find a new component and redesigning the pages around it.

Form2Content is very powerful and I love the template options/logic that it provides and is perfect for my needs.

I have yet to install Joomla 3.7 and with the new article custom fields I wanted to make sure that Form2Content has no issues with Joomla 3.7. From this topic it looks like there are no problems.
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Matching custom fields of F2C and Joomla itself could be very handy for the use of tools like widgetkit where you can make Dynamic Blogs. These Dynamic Blogs are created based on the Joomla content. Ordering is done by the Joomla fields and not by the F2C fields. Creating the same custom fields in Joomla as in F2C would make this job to create Dynamic Blogs much easier.

Greets,
Rob
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For the webmaster,

Yes, Custom Fields are each day improving... Will be F2C the first Joomla CCK to get ride of them?

F2C is (or was) the only joomla CCK which "create 100% native Joomla articles"

(sorry, but i think since Joomla Custom Fields, this sentences can create misunderstandings)

Here is an excelent article about Joomla Custom Fields (extensions, template overrides, etc.) i recommend:

- French (original): https://cinnk.com/magazine/juillet-2017/960-custom-fields-bonus
- Spanish: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14SZp1x4gh9-e3FxGj7dIhCk58Vd-8qDyqfrRfmF1YZY/edit#heading=h.j8aovrhqm0ld


PLEASE, understand me... I think F2C is great, and you are a great developer... and because of this I THINK YOU COULD BE THE FIRST TO CREATE A JOOMLA CCK 100% NATIVE JOOMLA ARTICLES, BASED IN CUSTOM FIELDS.

Not only mapping joomla custom fields... Going further to something like an ADVANCED JOOMLA CUSTOM FIELDS CCK

... just an idea... ;)
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